No Draw for You! || Alireza vs Wesley So || Superbet Chess Classic (2023)

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    Love the Qxf6 shirt – Petrosian vs Pachman? 🙂

    Nic (J Bruce Feynman Niccolo P. Bentulan) says:

    3rd comment: Remember when Wesley So's account was hacked to say those things against Alireza back in 2018?

    rxc3 is not preventing c6 night to moving,cose queen protecting c7.

    Hey Antonio! You didn't mention that Kh2 was a blunder here 8:05, Kg1 was much better.

    Why Locals plural? I thought rapport was hungarian?

    "it either works or it doesnt" – Agadmator 2023

    LOL HOW DO SO MANY OF THEM HAVE THIER EYES CLOSED?!?!? I love this photo.

    Greediness got the better of Alireza yesterday

    Finally. Some chess after the championship.

    Oh wow! Ding beat magnus to become the world chess champion? Didn't see that coming…………

    i can't believe ding and nepo and playing in this tournament after the war they just fought

    Alireza will bounce back stronger 😞💪💪

    Where is Alexander Grischuk? Haven't seen him in a while

    Let’s goooo Soooooo!!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

    My favourite Chess player after Magnus, future World Champion Alireza, too bad he isn't taking chess serious like before

    Nic (J Bruce Feynman Niccolo P. Bentulan) says:

    Lol 5 fake WCs. The player stronger in rapid always wins classical WCCs. Magnus' quitting proves chess is dead.

    There's no way in 9LX someone quits a 9LX WC without quitting 9LX too. Maybe

    Classical 9LX > rapid 9LX
    Classical chess < rapid chess

    ?

    Bobby Fischer would agree with everything here.

    – 2016, 2018, 2023 WCC – settled in rapid. In 2016 & 2023, winner had FEWER black classical wins

    – 2019 WFRCC – real!

    – 2021 WCC – Magnus cheated Nepo by touch move. And again Magnus is stronger in rapid. Nepo had to take risks otherwise Nepo would lose in classical.

    – 2022 WFRCC – rapid disguised as classical

    In the last 3 classical WCC matches that were drawn in classical portion, it's a Jewish guy (Sergey, Fabi, Nepo) who draws against a gentile (Magnus, Magnus, Liren) who is more favoured in rapid and the favoured gentile wins. Coincidence?

    Why is it that for 2016 – 2023

    – the fake WCs (2016, 2018, 2021, 2022, 2023) are won by the bad guys (Magnus, Magnus, Magnus, Hikaru, Liren) over the good guys (Sergey, Fabi, Nepo, Nepo & Wesley So, Nepo)

    – while the real WCs (2019) are won by the good guys (Wesley So & Nepo) over the bad guys (Magnus)

    ?

    – bad guys: magnus carlsen, garry kasparov, FIDE, veselin topalov, hikaru nakamura, ding liren, chess itself

    – good guys: wesley so, bobby fischer, sergey karjakin, vladimir kramnik, hans niemann, ian nepomniachtchi, 9LX itself

    Btw, when was the last time someone led with black in the classical portion of any world chess (or chess960) championship match and then later the opponent not only caught up was even leading (but needn't have ultimately won) ?

    A white win & 2 black draws compensates for a white loss? Really? Gestalt psychology says the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. If chess didn't have drawn rounds like basketball baseball csgo valorant etc then every white loss would have to be compensated by a black win.

    Eh then again I wouldn't want every game to be classical armageddon with auction. But with chess960 yes there are draws but there isn't really a white advantage (as long as you play both colours BUT different position so whomever gets black 1st doesn't have an advantage), so go ahead compensate a white loss with a white win for all I care.

    0.1 – 'If all the chess professionals played Fischer Random, our game could have been much more popular.' — Alexander Grischuk

    Classical chess960 would make every game exciting for the audience and be less stressful for the players. There will be no more draws by theory.

    Of course Fischer random chess is better than chess960 by 0.1%.

    0.2 – Classical armageddon (WITH AUCTION) would make every game exciting without eliminating theory or preparation and is better than rapid & blitz tiebreaks. Besides, it's interesting to see how low players will bid for black Vs white's 120min.

    1 – Armageddon is only fair if there's an auction. Who's to say no one would bid lower than 4min for black vs 5min white?

    2 – Using 5min vs 4min Armageddon as a tiebreaker for something initially classical is ridiculous especially if Armageddon has no increment.

    But eh if you're already playing rapid and blitz to break ties for classical then whatever. What a great example set in the 2016 & 2018 WCCs, using rapid instead of classical Armageddon with auction.

    Such an example continued to the 2022 WFRCC where Wesley So got lower time controls from the 2019 WFRCC for no good reason. Lower time controls are to break draws. Why lower time controls for Wesley So in the 2022 WFRCC when Wesley So WON the 2019 WFRCC? Very good reason to consider Hikaru as the rapid WFRCC while Wesley So is still the classical WFRCC.

    Still, to break any classical tie, why not classical chess960 or classical chess Armageddon instead?

    3 – Classical Armageddon for either chess or chess960 would be interesting because in sufficiently high time controls, black may give up more than half the time of white. The closest I've seen is the 2013 USCC between Gata Kamsky and (errrr) (….) (errrr), which was slow rapid though not classical. It's 24:45 Vs 50min after you add increment to 19:45 vs 45min. Oh yes actually Armageddon games have increment! At least they did 1 decade ago.

    4 – I've actually come to realise that chess is a completely unfair game if you don't play both colours.

    Often you play swiss & single round robin with uneven white & black games. And even if they are even, you could've done better or worse depending on your colour.

    I think Yasser asked Wesley So if double elimination in the 2023 American Cup should be used also for the USCC. Actually it's fairer to do even single elimination because in knockouts you always play both colours except Armageddon.

    Regardless of logistic practicality, seems to me the only fair thing if you're insisting on swiss & single round robin is:

    4.1 – Play both colours. If it's 1 win each, then it's simply a draw.

    4.2 – Play single game still but Armageddon.

    4.3 – Play chess960 instead. Who cares if you're black? I don't mind if I play black in chess960 for the rest of my life, but I hate every single time I play black in chess.

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    P.S. Please help get Wesley So on Lex Fridman's podcast. See

    xcdhgq

    Nic (J Bruce Feynman Niccolo P. Bentulan) says:

    2nd comment: 2016 WCC – This is relevant to the 2023 WCC.

    Please agad cover the other decisive game of the Sergey Karjakin vs Magnus Carlsen 2016 WCC (Game 10, where that TALENTLESS patzer won). #suggestion

    What happened is that Magnus lost to Sergey AS WHITE in Game 8 but then compensated for a white loss with A WHITE WIN in Game 10. This is what happened to Ding Liren & Nepo for Games 2 & 4 of the 2023 WCC.

    Fun fact for Game 8 – 'After the game Carlsen was visibly uncomfortable and left the press conference before it began, potentially incurring a fine of 5% of his prize money to the organizers Agon, and a further 5% to FIDE.[59] FIDE released a statement the following day indicating that the penalty would be imposed.[61] The fine was reduced on appeal to 5% of the prize money (2.5% to Agon and 2.5% to FIDE).[62]'

    For Game 10: Wesley So has some interesting thoughts that DEFY STOCKFISH, as Wesley So did in 2021 St Louis Chess 9LX with the move that won the chessc*m 2021 move of the year award. (Wesley So thinks white 'still had an edge' even though the computer says black is slightly winning.)

    Some maths:

    Why doesn't a drawn match go to the player w/ more black wins (if any) s.t. Sergey Karjakin not Magnus Carlsen is 2016 WCC? Surely a black win is worth more than a white win. But you might argue 2 draws with black amounts to a win with black. Does it? No question about it in chess960, where there's no theory. In chess? Gestalt psychology says the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

    Other suggestions:

    Women's chess

    A – Was Kg6 in Dina's 1st GM slaying game in Reykjavik sexism? Like looking down on Dina?

    B – Anna Cramling's dad beats Mikhail Tal. #suggestion

    C – Philippine women's chess #suggestion – WGM Janelle Frayna, the female Wesley So, upset Georgian GM (really GM not just WGM) Bela Khotenashvili at the 2022 world blitz.

    There's a 13-move UNDERPROMOTION puzzle here.

    [Variant "From Position"]

    [FEN "6k1/6b1/1p1P3p/6pP/3pPpP1/p2NqP2/6K1/5Q2"]

    1. Qd1 a2 2. Qb3+ Kf8 3. d7 Qe2+ 4. Nf2 Ke7 5. Qd5 Kd8 6. Qe6 Bf6 7. Qe8+ Kc7 8. Qc8+ Kd6 9. e5+ Qxe5 10. d8=R+ Bxd8 11. Qxd8+ Kc6 12. Qa8+ Kb5 13. Qxa2

    For some reason none of the Philippine channels except Kelvinllovejr even cover this game. LOL. But Janelle did cover the game where e drew against Nemo, so maybe Janelle will cover this game later on.

    P.S. Please help get Wesley So on Lex Fridman's podcast. See

    xcdhgq

    I missed alireza… This tournament is gonna be sweet

    Agad alwys there when i need him the most…More love Agad❤

    First or second or third what's the difference? We all just want to see some good action 🎉

    I love this picture of Wesley! He's got such a great smile and he is such a great guy!! <3

    it's nice that we still have some cess in Romania at a high level!

    We all know Alireza lost because he missed b4 at move 4

    such a cool picture 0:15!!! Thank you for including it, Agad!, it is hard to guess from the computer pics and/or them sitting down who's tall. For example, I had no idea Fabiano was so short.

    to Antonio

    Can I make a small correction, I am still seeing it and it's not right for anyone – Richard Rapport is NOT romanian, he is a HUNGARIAN grand-master and he represents Romania thru some sponsorship thing.
    *I managed to get his autograph yesterday, when he won agains Duda

    Is there any meaning to Agad’s shirt move? Can’t get the joke (if any)

    Alireza fans will still say wesley cheats otb lol

    Ah the classiest chess channel. Thank god for Antonio

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